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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.investorsinsight.com/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>John Mauldin's Outside the Box : Economic Forecast, Stocks</title><link>http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Economic+Forecast/Stocks/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Economic Forecast, Stocks</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP1 (Build: 31106.3070)</generator><item><title>Dow 5,000 Redux</title><link>http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/2008/12/08/dow-5-000-redux.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:13:37 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">94e1e1ff-3922-415d-9584-19119299714b:2536</guid><dc:creator>John Mauldin</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=2536</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/commentapi.aspx?PostID=2536</wfw:comment><comments>http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/2008/12/08/dow-5-000-redux.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;What is fair value for stocks? Are they now cheap? You can certainly make that argument by comparing valuations based on past performance. But repeat after me, &amp;quot;Past performance is not indicative of future returns.&amp;quot; The investment climate of today is almost certainly going to be quite different than that of the 80&amp;#39;s and 90&amp;#39;s. Thus, to expect stocks to repeat the performance of the last bull market in a climate of government intervention, deleveraging and increased regulations may not be realistic?&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;This week Bill Gross, the Managing Director of PIMCO (and one of my favorite analysts) moves away from his familiar neighborhood of bonds and offers a few thoughts on stock market valuations. This is not a lengthy read, but it is one you might want to read twice, as the concepts are important. And not just for stocks but for investments of all types. I trust you will enjoy this week&amp;#39;s Outside the Box.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;John Mauldin, Editor&lt;br /&gt;Outside the Box&lt;/p&gt; &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;Dow 5,000 Redux&lt;/h3&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;By William H. Gross&lt;br /&gt;Managing Director PIMCO&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Here I go again! Gosh it was only six years ago that I cemented my place in stock market history by predicting that the Dow would fall from 8,500 to 5,000, instead of going up to 14,000 where it peaked in October of 2007. Well, I could use the standard set of excuses: 1) No one else saw it coming, 2) I was misinterpreted, and taken out of context, 3) I was tired, overworked, and had family problems, or 4) I had just come out of rehab. But these days what really works is a full confession. I mean, like, uh, it was totally my fault and I take full responsibility. The fact is I was only off by 9,000 points. That&amp;#39;s my story, and I&amp;#39;m stickin&amp;#39; to it.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Well, fools rush in. This time though I&amp;#39;m definitely older and maybe a little bit wiser. No magic number, nor a specific target date from the Swami of the Dow. This one will be more conceptual, but still present a &amp;quot;take&amp;quot; that you can criticize or damn with faint praise. And no, despite the title, it doesn&amp;#39;t imply that the stock market is headed to 5,000 and that I was always right or just a little bit early. It only suggests that I&amp;#39;m readdressing the critical topic of equity valuation – that mysterious fragile flower where price is part perception, part valuation, and part hope or lack thereof. Press on, Swami.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Let me first announce a fundamental premise with which I think all rational investors would agree: I believe in stocks for the long run – &lt;u&gt;but only if purchased at the right price&lt;/u&gt;. That statement packs a real punch. It says that capitalism is and will remain a going concern, that risk-taking – over the long run – will be rewarded, but only from a starting price that correctly anticipates the economy&amp;#39;s growth and its share of after-tax corporate profits within it. Acknowledging the above, let&amp;#39;s look at a few basic standards of valuation that historically have stood the test of time, to see if at least the price is right. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;script language=JavaScript src=http://stats.adclickz.net/abm.aspx?z=32&gt;&lt;/script&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;One of them is what is known as the &amp;quot;Q&amp;quot; ratio, or the value of the stock market relative to the replacement cost of net assets. The basic logic behind &amp;quot;Q&amp;quot; is that capitalism works. If the &amp;quot;Q&amp;quot; is above 1.0, then the market is valuing a company at more than it costs to reproduce it; stock prices should fall. If it is below 1.0, then stocks are undervalued because new businesses can&amp;#39;t be created at as cheap a price as they can be bought in the open market. In the short run, this ratio is volatile as shown below but it tends to be mean reverting, which is critical. As long as capitalism is a going concern, &amp;quot;Q&amp;quot; should mean revert to 1.0. If so, then oh, oh what a &amp;quot;Q&amp;quot;! Today&amp;#39;s Q ratio has almost never been lower and certainly not since WWII, implying extreme undervaluation, as seen in Chart 1.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://www.pimco.com/NR/rdonlyres/0384C0F7-6909-400D-9F1E-34BD574F01A6/6714/Chart1IO2.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Another long-term standard of valuation comes from the good ol‘ P/E ratio, where earnings per share, or E, is compared as a function of P, or price. Chart 2, going all the way back to 1871, shows the same relatively massive undervaluation, not only in the U.S. but elsewhere. This has been a &lt;u&gt;global&lt;/u&gt; bear market. Yet here one should be careful. The sage of rationality, Yale&amp;#39;s Robert Shiller, cautions us to look at earnings on an historical 10-year moving average to remove adverse or fortuitous cyclicality. When measured on this basis, P/E&amp;#39;s are cheap but less so, slightly below their mean average for the past century.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://www.pimco.com/NR/rdonlyres/0384C0F7-6909-400D-9F1E-34BD574F01A6/6716/chart2IODec09.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Professor Shiller may be on to something, although even his 10-year approach may not be enough to adjust for our future economy and its functioning within the context of a &lt;u&gt;delevering&lt;/u&gt; as opposed to a &lt;u&gt;levering&lt;/u&gt; financial system. Recent &lt;em&gt;Investment Outlooks&lt;/em&gt; and indeed, discussions in PIMCO&amp;#39;s Investment Committee and Secular Forums for the past several years have pointed to the necessity to view current changes as not only non-cyclical, but non-secular. They are, in fact, likely to be transgenerational. We will not go back to what we have known and gotten used to. It&amp;#39;s like comparing Newton and Einstein: both were right but their rules governed entirely different domains. &lt;strong&gt;We are now morphing towards a world where the government fist is being substituted for the invisible hand, where regulation trumps Wild West capitalism, and where corporate profits are no longer a function of leverage, cheap financing and the rather mindless ability to make a deal with other people&amp;#39;s money.&lt;/strong&gt; Welcome to a new universe stock market investors! In this rather &amp;quot;sheepish&amp;quot; as opposed to &amp;quot;brave&amp;quot; new world, here are some considerations that may affect Q ratios, P/E&amp;#39;s, and ultimately stock prices for years to come:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ol&gt; &lt;li&gt;Corporate profits have been positively affected for at least the past several decades by several trends that appear to be reversing. Leverage and gearing ratios – the ability of companies to make money by making paper – are coming down, not going up. In addition, the availability of cheap financing – absent government&amp;#39;s checkbook – will likely not return. Narrow yield spreads and low real corporate interest rates are gone. Last, but not least, the historical declines of corporate tax rates, shown graphically in Chart 3, will not likely continue downward in a Democratically-dominated Washington.  &lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;img alt="" src="http://www.pimco.com/NR/rdonlyres/0384C0F7-6909-400D-9F1E-34BD574F01A6/6709/chart3IODec08.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;li&gt;Globalization&amp;#39;s salutary growth rate of recent years may now be stunted. While public pronouncements from almost all major economies affirm the necessity for increased trade and policy coordination, and avoiding the destructive tendencies of one-off currency devaluations as a local remedy for global problems, investors should not bank on the free trade mentality of recent years to support historic growth rates. Already we are seeing separate ad hoc policy responses with very little cooperation. Not only does the EU&amp;#39;s approach differ from that of the U.S., but France is in many ways an odd man out within its own community. Asia is legitimately suspicious of any U.S. endorsed approach given the failure of America&amp;#39;s capitalistic model.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;li&gt;Animal spirits, and with them the entrepreneurial dynamism of risk-taking has likely experienced a body blow. Not only have dancers on the financed-based dance floor been shown the exit à la Chuck Prince, but those that remain have been publicly chastened and handcuffed. Golden parachutes, options, executive compensation and bonuses themselves are now at risk. Care to climb to the throne of this new world? Well, yes, egos will always dominate, but the rules will be changed and hormone levels lowered.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;li&gt;The benevolent fist of government is imperative and inevitable, but it will come at a cost. The champion of free enterprise, Ronald Reagan, knew that growth of the private sector was in no small way dependent on deregulation and the lowering of tax rates. Now that those trends have necessarily come to an end, no rational investors should expect innovation and productivity to be unaffected. Profit and earnings per share growth will suffer.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;script language=JavaScript src=http://stats.adclickz.net/abm.aspx?z=32&gt;&lt;/script&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;My transgenerational stock market outlook is this: stocks are cheap when valued within the context of a financed-based economy once dominated by leverage, cheap financing, and even lower corporate tax rates. That world, however, is in our past not our future. More regulation, lower leverage, higher taxes, and a lack of entrepreneurial testosterone are what we must get used to – that and a government checkbook that allows for healing, but crowds the private sector into an awkward and less productive corner.&lt;/strong&gt; Dow 5,000? We don&amp;#39;t have to go there if current domestic and global policies are focused on asset price support and eventual recapitalization of lending institutions. But 14,000 is a stretch as well. One only has to recognize that roughly 20% of bank capital is now owned by the U.S. government and that a near proportionate share of profits will flow in that direction as well. Better to own corporate bonds than corporate stocks, but that&amp;#39;s a story for another &lt;em&gt;Investment Outlook&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;William H. Gross&lt;br /&gt;Managing Director&lt;/p&gt; &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Your thinking we will see even better valuations analyst,&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;John Mauldin&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.investorsinsight.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=2536" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Bill+Gross/default.aspx">Bill Gross</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Economic+Forecast/default.aspx">Economic Forecast</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Globalization/default.aspx">Globalization</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Stocks/default.aspx">Stocks</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Government/default.aspx">Government</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Pimco/default.aspx">Pimco</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Regulation/default.aspx">Regulation</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Capitalism/default.aspx">Capitalism</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Value/default.aspx">Value</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Capital+Markets/default.aspx">Capital Markets</category></item><item><title>The Stock Market is Not in Uncharted Territory</title><link>http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/2008/11/17/the-stock-market-is-not-in-uncharted-territory.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:07:31 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">94e1e1ff-3922-415d-9584-19119299714b:2431</guid><dc:creator>John Mauldin</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=2431</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/commentapi.aspx?PostID=2431</wfw:comment><comments>http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/2008/11/17/the-stock-market-is-not-in-uncharted-territory.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;This week we visit some very thoughtful analysis by an old friend of Outside the Box, Dr. John Hussman of the Hussman Funds (&lt;a href="http://www.hussmanfunds.com/index.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.hussmanfunds.com/index.html&lt;/a&gt;). Is it 1932? Are we in a Depression? Where is the bottom? John gives us a very balanced view and actually offers some positive insight on the markets. There may be light ahead.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;(Note: there is a chart from Ned Davis Research that is, as John notes, not to be distributed further. I did call Ned Davis Research and they graciously gave me permission to use it as well.) Have a great week, and enjoy some positive thoughts below.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;John Mauldin, Editor&lt;br /&gt;Outside the Box &lt;/p&gt; &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;h2&gt;The Stock Market is Not in &amp;quot;Uncharted Territory&amp;quot;&lt;/h2&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;By John Hussman, PH.D.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;One of the fallacies about the recent financial turbulence is that the markets are in &amp;quot;uncharted territory&amp;quot; and that there are no historical precedents for the volatility, panic, or economic uncertainty that we&amp;#39;ve observed. To make statements like this is to admit that one has not examined historical evidence prior to the 1990&amp;#39;s. The fact is that we&amp;#39;ve observed similar panics throughout market history. This decline has been deeper and more rapid than most, but that is largely a reflection of the rich valuation and overbought condition that characterized the market in 2007 (see the July 16, 2007 comment - &lt;a href="http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc070716.htm" target="_blank"&gt;A Who&amp;#39;s Who of Awful Times to Invest&lt;/a&gt;). &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;If we seriously deem it necessary to talk about the Great Depression, fine. Even the Great Depression can be adequately used as a precedent for current conditions &lt;em&gt;provided &lt;/em&gt;that one recognizes that the market&amp;#39;s valuation during the Depression didn&amp;#39;t fall to the levels we &lt;em&gt;currently&lt;/em&gt; observe until 1931 when the rate of unemployment was already 15%. Sure, if U.S. unemployment is headed to 25%, as it did in the Great Depression, then stock prices might fall in half even from here, as they did by 1932. But this is important - even if stock prices were to fall further, it would not be because of earnings losses that would permanently impair the fundamental value of U.S. companies. Rather, if further losses emerge, it will be because of &lt;em&gt;increases in risk premiums &lt;/em&gt;that will be associated with extremely high subsequent returns. Indeed, even though unemployment shot to 25% in 1932, the S&amp;amp;P 500 more than doubled in the year following the 1932 Depression low, and tripled off of that low within less than three years. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;script language=JavaScript src=http://stats.adclickz.net/abm.aspx?z=32&gt;&lt;/script&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The handful of historical instances when stocks fell to 7 times prior record earnings were also points that were accompanied by 15-25% unemployment, 12% yields on commercial paper (as at the 1974 lows), or 15% Treasury yields (as at the 1982 lows). Similar data is unlikely in this instance - and even if conditions deteriorate to that point, it will involve months and months of ebb and flow in the economic reports. We can be virtually certain that stocks would experience enormous rallies, not simply continuous decline, while the evidence accumulates. Meanwhile, it is notable that data that measure investor panic, such as risk-premiums and intra-day market volatility, &lt;em&gt;already &lt;/em&gt;match historical extremes (1932, 1974, 1982, and 2002) - points where stock prices were not far from their lows even though negative economic news persisted for a longer period. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The chart below (reprinted by permission and not to be distributed further) is from &lt;a href="http://www.ndr.com" target="_blank"&gt;Ned Davis Research&lt;/a&gt;. Note the points at which similar spikes in volatility and credit spreads occurred. None of this provides assurance about very near-term risks (very short term fluctuations can be obscured by monthly charts like this), but it underscores that similar panics have typically been associated with washed-out market lows, and in any event, should further reinforce that this decline is not particularly &amp;quot;uncharted.&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;img height="478" alt="S&amp;amp;P 500 Volatility and Credit Spread" src="http://www.investorsinsight.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/john_5F00_mauldins_5F00_outside_5F00_the_5F00_box/jmotb111708image001_5F00_f4e056d4_2D00_1162_2D00_4ee8_2D00_804b_2D00_7383b0a6e895.jpg" width="624" border="0" /&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;That&amp;#39;s not to say that I believe stocks have &amp;quot;hit their lows.&amp;quot; We always have to allow for the market to move significantly and unexpectedly, and there is plausible downside risk from here. Our activity as investors is not to try to identify tops and bottoms - it is to constantly align our exposure to risk &lt;em&gt;in proportion &lt;/em&gt;to the return that we can expect from that risk, given prevailing evidence. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;If I was confident that the market&amp;#39;s downside risk was tightly limited, I would remove our hedges. Instead, the Strategic Growth continues to hold a put option defenses against 70-80% of the holdings at about the 850 level on the S&amp;amp;P 500. Above that level, we are accepting a good deal of day-to-day market fluctuations. Below that level (which is something of a line in the sand for us since it represents the October lows), our option defenses can be expected to increasingly mute the impact of any further market losses. I don&amp;#39;t anticipate lowering those strikes in the event that market losses continue, at least until we observe fresh evidence of improved market internals. That said, in the event of a substantial further decline, I do expect to &lt;em&gt;very gradually &lt;/em&gt;reduce the percentage of the Fund&amp;#39;s holdings that are hedged. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;In short, with stocks both undervalued and oversold, it is appropriate to accept a modest amount of market risk and a good sensitivity to &amp;quot;local&amp;quot; fluctuations, but we remain hedged to defend against any major and unexpected deterioration. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Investors can get a good understanding of market history by examining a great deal of data, or by living through a lot of market cycles and learning something along the way. Only investors who have done neither believe that current conditions are &amp;quot;uncharted territory.&amp;quot; Veterans like Warren Buffett and Jeremy Grantham have a good handle on both historical data, and on the concept that stocks are a claim to a very long-term stream of future cash flows. They recognize that even wiping out a year or two of earnings does no major damage to the intrinsic value of companies with good balance sheets and strong competitive positions. Most importantly, these guys &lt;em&gt;never changed their standards of value &lt;/em&gt;even when other investors were bubbling and gurgling about a new era of productivity where knowledge-based companies would make the business cycle obsolete, and where profit margins would never mean-revert. They knew to ignore the reckless optimism then, because they understood that stocks were claims on a very long-term stream of cash flows. They know to ignore the paralyzing fear now, because they still understand that stocks are a claim on a very long-term stream of cash flows. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;No thoughtful investor &amp;quot;calls a bottom&amp;quot; in the markets. Stocks are undervalued here, but they could decline further. Economic conditions are poor, but may be over or under-reflected in stock prices. Investors will find out over time, and the ebb-and-flow of information is slow enough to allow very large market fluctuations in the meantime. Current market conditions are extremely compressed, to the extent that the market could soar by 30% even in the context of an ongoing bear market. At the same time, investors remain skittish, and we should allow for fresh weakness into next year or perhaps a wide and prolonged trading range. We continue to have something of a line-in-the-sand at the October lows, which is largely where our index put option strikes are positioned. We&amp;#39;ll alter that as the evidence changes. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;script language=JavaScript src=http://stats.adclickz.net/abm.aspx?z=32&gt;&lt;/script&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;h3&gt;Price Fluctuations, Support Levels, and Valuation in Bear Markets &lt;/h3&gt; &lt;p&gt;If we seriously need to talk about the Great Depression (I personally believe that it is an outrageously dire comparison), we should recognize that &lt;em&gt;even &lt;/em&gt;during that prolonged decline, it rarely made sense to sell into a major break of a previous low, because investors invariably had a chance to sell on a later recovery to the prior level of support. Below is a chart of the Dow Jones Industrial Average during the Depression. Even if one hung on after the enormous rally of nearly 50% that followed the initial 1929 low, the market&amp;#39;s initial break of that low (the first horizontal bar) was followed several months later by a rebound to that prior level of support. The break of the second intermediate low of early 1931 (the second horizontal bar) was followed by a rebound later in the year to that same level. Third break, same story. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;img height="422" alt="Dow Jones Industrial Average during the Depression" src="http://www.investorsinsight.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/john_5F00_mauldins_5F00_outside_5F00_the_5F00_box/jmotb111708image002_5F00_80164627_2D00_fd85_2D00_4d28_2D00_8882_2D00_1652746ef7b0.gif" width="610" border="0" /&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;It is a typical market dynamic to have massive rallies toward prior levels of support, even within ongoing market declines. Once valuations are favorable, that tendency is even stronger, even in a weakening economy. Only the final panic decline of a bear market offers investors virtually no chance to get out on rebounds, but it is precisely that final decline that is recovered almost immediately in the subsequent bull market. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;It&amp;#39;s possible we&amp;#39;ve already seen the final panic of the current &amp;quot;bear market,&amp;quot; though we certainly wouldn&amp;#39;t remove our hedges on that expectation. Given the slim prospects for an economic recovery in the near future, my impression is that regardless of what happens over the very near term, we&amp;#39;ll observe an additional spate of weakness (possibly from higher levels) early next year as investors give up their remaining patience and decide -as they often do near the end of a bear market - that there&amp;#39;s no way that the market or economy &lt;em&gt;can &lt;/em&gt;recover, and that there is no &amp;quot;catalyst&amp;quot; that is capable of driving stocks higher. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Even if the U.S. economy experiences a much deeper recession, I believe that the 1000-1100 level on the S&amp;amp;P represents a reasonable estimate of &amp;quot;fair value&amp;quot; for the S&amp;amp;P 500. That estimate is somewhat conservative since I am adjusting for the fact that earnings in recent years have been based on very wide profit margins, but could be too conservative given that long-term interest rates are very low. Long-duration instruments like stocks should not be priced off of short-duration instruments like 10-year Treasury bonds, or even 30-year Treasuries, so low interest rates shouldn&amp;#39;t make investors recklessly optimistic about their valuation estimates. In any event, I do believe that current levels represent value from the standpoint of long-term investment prospects. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;As for extreme and less likely benchmarks, the 780 level on the S&amp;amp;P 500 would represent a 50% loss from the market&amp;#39;s peak, and would put the market in the lowest 20% of all historical valuations. I would expect heavy demand from value-conscious investors about that level if the market was to decline further, and a decline below that level could be expected to reverse back toward 780 fairly quickly. Further down, but very unlikely at this point from my perspective, the 700 level on the S&amp;amp;P 500 would represent the lowest 10% of historical valuations, 625 would put the market in the lowest 5% of valuations, and anywhere at 600 or below would put the market in the lowest 1% of historical valuations. I don&amp;#39;t expect to see such a level, but there it is. Note that these estimates are unaffected by how low earnings might go next quarter or next year. Stocks are not a claim on next quarter&amp;#39;s or next year&amp;#39;s earnings - they are a claim on an &lt;em&gt;indefinite &lt;/em&gt;stream of future cash flows. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Recent market conditions seem like they have no precedent only because so many investment professionals know only the data they&amp;#39;ve lived through. If one actually examines market data from the Great Depression, 1907, and other less extreme panics, one realizes how much the recent decline has already discounted potential economic negatives. At this point, further declines in stock prices simply increase the long-term returns that investors can expect over time. We can&amp;#39;t rule out the possibility that investors could get more frightened, or that they might abandon their stocks at prices that would offer extremely high long-term returns to the buyers. It is important to establish exposure slowly, but long-term investors who ignore attractive valuations are not &lt;em&gt;investors &lt;/em&gt;at all. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;As I repeatedly noted when valuations were rich, &lt;em&gt;gains in an overvalued market &lt;/em&gt;are generally not &lt;em&gt;retained &lt;/em&gt;over the full market cycle. Likewise, &lt;em&gt;weakness in an undervalued market &lt;/em&gt;tends to be temporary and impermanent. This distinction is essential. The main damage that investors can do to their financial security at this point would come from selling into steep but &lt;em&gt;impermanent &lt;/em&gt;declines. Even in ongoing bear markets, once valuations become favorable, declines through prior levels of support are typically followed by advances back to that support. Remember that if and when things look frightening. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;It is also important for investors to separate near-term earnings risks from long-term valuations. Earnings are more volatile than stock prices, and year-over-year fluctuations in earnings &lt;em&gt;are not correlated at all &lt;/em&gt;with year-over-year fluctuations in stock prices. It is only over the long-term, when we examine stock prices versus the &lt;em&gt;smooth trend of normalized earnings &lt;/em&gt;across multiple business cycles, that earnings really matter. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Again, if the market cleanly breaks the October lows, our investment position will become less sensitive to market fluctuations because that is where our put option strikes are largely set, but valuations have already improved beyond the point that would justify a full hedge against 100% of our holdings. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;script language=JavaScript src=http://stats.adclickz.net/abm.aspx?z=32&gt;&lt;/script&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;h3&gt;Market Climate &lt;/h3&gt; &lt;p&gt;As of last week, the Market Climate for stocks was characterized by moderately favorable valuations and unfavorable but extremely compressed market action. The initial improvements we observed in market action a couple of weeks ago are now more tentative, and the market is only slightly above the level where we would lose that early favorable evidence (which is, not surprisingly, why we have set our option strikes at that same level). If the October lows hold well, we may very well observe a scorching advance in the range of 20-30% as investors re-evaluate the extent to which the market&amp;#39;s decline has discounted the probable negatives. A significant break of the October lows could prompt &amp;quot;weak&amp;quot; holders to abandon stocks, which would create a need for a sufficient discount for &amp;quot;strong&amp;quot; holders (mainly value-conscious investors) to purchase those shares. Again, my impression is that in the event of a clear break of October&amp;#39;s lows, 780 on the S&amp;amp;P 500 would most probably be where value-conscious investors would exhibit very strong demand. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;As a side note, do your best to filter out comments like &amp;quot;investors are moving out of stocks and into ...&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;investors are selling into this decline&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;investors are buying into this rally.&amp;quot; On balance, investors do not sell shares, and they don&amp;#39;t buy shares. Every share purchased is a share sold. The only question is what price movement is required to prompt a buyer and a seller to trade with each other. No money will come off the sidelines into stocks. No money will come out of stocks and onto the sidelines. All such talk is non-equilibrium idiocy. Keep in mind that the &amp;quot;market&amp;quot; consists of different traders with a variety of time-horizons, risk-tolerances, and analytical methods (e.g. technical, report-driven, value-conscious). It is helpful to think in terms of which group of individuals is likely to do what, and when. It is equally important to know which group of investors you belong to. As the old saying goes, if you&amp;#39;re at a poker table and you don&amp;#39;t know who the patsy is, you&amp;#39;re the patsy. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;hr /&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Your hoping we do get a major rally analyst,&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;John Mauldin&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.investorsinsight.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=2431" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/John+Hussman/default.aspx">John Hussman</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Market+Climate/default.aspx">Market Climate</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Economic+Forecast/default.aspx">Economic Forecast</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Stocks/default.aspx">Stocks</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Economy/default.aspx">Economy</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Depression/default.aspx">Depression</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Hussman+Funds/default.aspx">Hussman Funds</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/john_mauldins_outside_the_box/archive/tags/Bear+Market/default.aspx">Bear Market</category></item></channel></rss>