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&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;*****Nationalization = Communism?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;*****Recovery Portfolio&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:x-small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Fellow&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt; 
            Investor,&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;It is a 
            strange sight to see the Dow Industrials trading at 6,700. That&amp;#39;s 
            still a level from 1997. And it still indicates that people don&amp;#39;t 
            want to own stocks. At this point, it seems to be as much about 
            available capital for investment as a willingness to invest. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Valuations are 
            low, the Dow is trading with a p/e of around 20. But that&amp;#39;s still 
            not as low as it&amp;#39;s been during past recessions. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Still, it 
            might be helpful to add some flavor to the current p/e ratio of the 
            Dow. Consider that Citigroup and Bank of America don&amp;#39;t have 
            earnings. Neither do Ford, GM, Alcoa. It&amp;#39;s safe to say that earnings 
            at JP Morgan, American Express, Goldman Sachs and GE are hanging by 
            a thread. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Obviously, any 
            earnings associated with lending are seriously impaired, at best. 
            But it&amp;#39;s also obvious that at some point, earnings from lending will 
            return. And the p/e for the Dow and other indices will drop 
            substantially. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;It&amp;#39;s how long 
            it will take to see a resurgence of lending earnings that&amp;#39;s the 
            question. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;*****We&amp;#39;ve got 
            a showdown of economic heavyweights brewing between PIMCO&amp;#39;s Bill 
            Gross and NYU economics professor Nouriel Roubini. Roubini is the 
            champion of nationalization of zombie banks. Gross is in favor if 
            continued bailouts from the government. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;The difference 
            in opinion is fundamental. Gross is an investor. He prefers to see 
            any solutions maintain current equity structures. It&amp;#39;s also no 
            coincidence that Gross and Co. are advising the government on its 
            handling of Bank of America.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Roubini is an 
            economist. His perspective is not driven by any sympathy to current 
            shareholders. He wants to see the economy moving again. And in his 
            opinion, nationalization of zombie banks is the quickest means to 
            that end. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;To the &amp;quot;let &amp;#39;em 
            fail&amp;quot; crowd, nationalization should be your preferred solution. 
            Nationalization removes current management, wipes out shareholders 
            and puts the banks back in the hands of stronger private ownership. 
            Zombie&amp;nbsp; banks would likely be in government hands for a matter of a 
            few days - just long enough to strip out the impaired assets. I 
            guarantee there&amp;#39;s no shortage of private equity groups eager to buy 
            a healthy bank with a strong brand name. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;*****I&amp;#39;m 
            starting to suspect that CEOs like Bank of America&amp;#39;s Ken Lewis would 
            make pretty savvy politicians. It seems to me some of these execs 
            have done a terrific job of inflaming the populist association of 
            nationalization with communism. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;By invoking 
            the evils of nationalization, we now feel that sinking another $30 
            billion into &lt;/span&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;AIG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt; 
            and $25 billion into Citigroup is a better alternative. &lt;/span&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;And maybe it 
            is.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;I also got to 
            thinking that maybe it was all Paulson&amp;#39;s fault. That it was a 
            mistake to bring the Wall Street perspective on deal-making into the 
            government&amp;#39;s financial dealings with failing companies. Taking 
            preferred stock and warrants in exchange for loans isn&amp;#39;t exactly 
            laissez-faire capitalism. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Unless it&amp;#39;s 
            acceptable for the government to think of itself as a capitalist 
            entity, with taxpayers for shareholders.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;As the lender 
            of last resort in broken capital market, maybe Americans would feel 
            better if the government had kept its nose out of business and 
            simply handed over the cash. Somehow, I doubt it. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;I think, as 
            taxpayers, we want to be compensated for the risk we believe we are 
            assuming in bailing out &lt;/span&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;AIG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt; 
            and Citigroup. &lt;/span&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;***** When the 
            government lent Chrysler $1.3 billion in 1979, it received 14.4 
            million warrants for Chrysler stock in exchange. So Paulson had 
            precedent on his side.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;And it&amp;#39;s 
            reported that Chrysler asked for the warrants back in 1983, but the 
            adverse reaction from American taxpayers caused Chrysler to withdraw 
            its request. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;But through 
            his calculated use of the &amp;quot;n&amp;quot; word - nationalization - Lewis has 
            made sure that he won&amp;#39;t be taking any Iacocca-like $1 dollar a year 
            salary. Lewis destroyed billions in shareholder value, but he&amp;#39;s 
            still getting his.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;I should 
            probably apologize for continuing to bring up the nationalization 
            thing. I don&amp;#39;t advocate it is the only way out of this financial 
            mess, even though I do think banks are holding onto impaired assets 
            and delaying the recovery process because they think prices will 
            eventually recover. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;Besides, Obama 
            and Geithner have made it pretty clear that they want the banks in 
            private hands. Of course, that&amp;#39;s what Bush and Paulson said about 
            Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, too. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;*****Finally, 
            with the recent sell off, I simply have to think it&amp;#39;s a good idea to 
            dip a toe in the stock market pool. Yesterday I mentioned a few 
            stocks that we like at &lt;b&gt;Daily Profit&lt;/b&gt;: Graham Cop (AMEX:GHM), 
            CardioNet (Nasdaq:BEAT), SXC Health Solutions (Nasdaq:SXCI) and 
            Emergent BioSolutions (NYSE:EBS). &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;*****The next 
            Recovery Portfolio video conference is coming up on March 10, 2009 
            at &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;6 pm&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt; 
            Eastern time (with on-demand viewing for investors in central, mountain, and pacific time zones). Given the recent stock market declines, we thought it 
            would be timely to update out outlook for 2009 and give you the 
            latest on where we see opportunity. You can register at the 
            following link:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;
            &lt;span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;"&gt;
            &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.recoveryportfolio.tv/?r=iip_030309" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;"&gt;
            http://www.recoveryportfolio.tv&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Best Regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Ian Wyatt&lt;br /&gt;Editor&lt;br /&gt;Daily Profit&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.investorsinsight.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3008" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/daily_profit/archive/tags/Dow/default.aspx">Dow</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/daily_profit/archive/tags/CitiGroup/default.aspx">CitiGroup</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/daily_profit/archive/tags/SXCI/default.aspx">SXCI</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/daily_profit/archive/tags/Goldman+Sachs/default.aspx">Goldman Sachs</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/daily_profit/archive/tags/GHM/default.aspx">GHM</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/daily_profit/archive/tags/EBS/default.aspx">EBS</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/daily_profit/archive/tags/BEAT/default.aspx">BEAT</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/daily_profit/archive/tags/JP+Morgan/default.aspx">JP Morgan</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/daily_profit/archive/tags/Roubini/default.aspx">Roubini</category><category domain="http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/daily_profit/archive/tags/American+Express/default.aspx">American Express</category></item></channel></rss>